tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post1470836141519197511..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: 1,000 Brandeis Students and Faculty Call on Brandeis Hillel to Reconsider Its Herem Against Jewish Voice for Peace – and Hillel Continues To Say “Nyet”Jerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-83397025095778571122011-04-05T11:59:43.275-07:002011-04-05T11:59:43.275-07:00Jerry,
In your original statement, you referred t...Jerry,<br /><br />In your original statement, you referred to Chabad as a "heretical messianic cult". My point is that it's demonstratively not heretical, messianic (any more than the rest of normative Judaism), or a cult.<br /><br />Regarding the messianism, in particular, had you said this about the meshichists, I would say, fine, that's how they define themselves. But as you know, or should know, the yechi crowd are a minority subset of Chabad, and are in the process of getting legally kicked out of 770.<br /><br />We could argue all these points, and given that I'm possibly not as learned as you, I may fail to convince you otherwise. Surely you know the Talmudic dictum about starting an argument with a heretic. Certainly, you are no heretic, but the analogy holds. So, instead, let me ask you a simple question:<br /><br />Through the language you chose to use, are you promoting ahavas yisroel?Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-10894073497860091902011-04-05T11:40:11.922-07:002011-04-05T11:40:11.922-07:00First of all Victor, I said nothing about Chabadni...First of all Victor, I said nothing about Chabadniks, some of whom are my best friend. I certainly didn't want to imply that tinokos she-nishbu are heretics, rahmana le-zalan. If you are a Chabadnik, you know the Rambam's famous hilluk on the Karai'im.<br /><br />As for my calling Chabad a messianic cult, I am not sure why that would bother any Chabadnik -- oh, maybe, "cult" sounds perjorative. Change it to sect, if you like.<br /><br />As for its containing kefirah, I mean, are you serious? You are unaware of the accusations of gedolim that only got worse after the rebbe died?<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad-Lubavitch_related_controversies<br /><br />But I want you to know that though from a Jewish standpoint I view Chabad as kefirah (see above for sources), from a liberal standpoint I a mekel. For example, I drink Chabad low alchohol wine on Pesah for the daled cosos, despite the arguments of my learned colleague, Prof David Berger, against drinking Chabad wine. So not only do I drink the wine, I do it to be yotzei a mitzvoh d'Oraisa!<br /><br />If you are still offended, I will be happy to remove the words.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-18189038767343528842011-04-05T11:26:51.031-07:002011-04-05T11:26:51.031-07:00Well, Jerry? I don't mean to put you on the sp...Well, Jerry? I don't mean to put you on the spot, but I'm really anxious to know which halachik authority gave you permission to besmirch the avoda of hundreds of thousands of Jews.<br /><br />And if no authority has done so, if this is just your own thing, then that may constitute slander under Jewish law. That, my friend, I'll be happy to find you in Shmiras Haloshon, whose author you clearly honor in passing.<br /><br />Alternatively, you could consider the matter and remove the offending content, with no further need for discussion.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-60053910401035892032011-04-04T07:58:21.511-07:002011-04-04T07:58:21.511-07:00Haha! Whose ruling are you following, Jerry? I wan...Haha! Whose ruling are you following, Jerry? I want to know the distinguished halachik authority who declared Chabad to be heretics.<br /><br />It takes a very special kind of person to accuse hundreds of thousands of Torah and mitzvah-observant Jews of heresy. I'm really looking forward to this conversation.Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-68942143214762051492011-04-04T07:29:41.314-07:002011-04-04T07:29:41.314-07:00Victor, please show me in Shmiras ha-Lashon where ...Victor, please show me in Shmiras ha-Lashon where the Hofetz Hayyim, zatzal, rules that loshon ha-ra about kofrim is forbidden.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-22250994171994271722011-04-03T23:02:42.296-07:002011-04-03T23:02:42.296-07:00Chabad is a "heretical, messianic cult"?...Chabad is a "heretical, messianic cult"? Do the misnagdim still learn Chofetz Chaim, or are his teachings now the exclusive preserve of us "heretics"?Avigdorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05008730229882004376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-40769899610087292102011-04-01T12:30:31.878-07:002011-04-01T12:30:31.878-07:00Bacci40,
Actually, given that there are about 530...Bacci40,<br /><br />Actually, given that there are about 5300 total students at Brandeis, getting 1000 signatures is a pretty big deal. And how do you know these are "non-Hillel members"?; if the rules are still similar to when I was on campus, any Jew on campus can become a member of Hillel.Peter Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16487445526366418524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-7613512311444264402011-03-31T19:46:41.513-07:002011-03-31T19:46:41.513-07:00Fear motivates them. Fear their precious youth wil...Fear motivates them. Fear their precious youth will turn overnight into Al Qaeda loving self-hating Jews.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925912695144543921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-10744607497276802862011-03-31T14:48:20.638-07:002011-03-31T14:48:20.638-07:00yup...this post is much more important than talkin...yup...this post is much more important than talking about the bombing in jerusalem<br /><br />other than their name...care to note one thing that jvp does that is jewish?<br /><br />you insisted that they would denounce their prior behavior, which pretty much showed that they really didnt want to be a part of the greater jewish community<br /><br />they have not<br /><br />instead...they got up a petition of non hillel members...which means absolutely nothing.<br /><br />trust me...i can get a thousand sigs that state that you, max, and richard should no longer be allowed to call yourselves jewish...doesnt change the facts on the ground<br /><br />the fact remains...jvp wants to use hillel as a cover for their nefarious activities...and hillel doesnt wish to be used in that wayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-58163779743038996922011-03-31T06:11:12.879-07:002011-03-31T06:11:12.879-07:00Looks as if Hillel refuses to be associated with g...Looks as if Hillel refuses to be associated with groups that advocate BDS toward Israel as a whole (as I read what you wrote) whereas JVP merely advocates BDS toward settlements.<br /><br />Did I get that right? <br /><br />Assuming I did, and laying to one side the new/proposed Israeli law that punishes BDS aimed even at settlements (on the possibly specious ground that Israeli law does not run in Brandeis U), didn't Brandeis Hillel ERR in casting JVP into the intense light of outer darkness?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13055496269283424373noreply@blogger.com