tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post2580733472881132963..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: On the Municipal Rabbis’ Manifesto Against Selling or Renting Apartment to Non-Jews in the Land of IsraelJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-5121787591573385332010-12-14T10:45:31.469-08:002010-12-14T10:45:31.469-08:00as a cultural/secular/borderline atheist Jew, this...as a cultural/secular/borderline atheist Jew, this is the only approach that would make my kids and your kids consider themselves the same Jews. Kol Hakavod.Eyalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17204102167481888213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-45777227582649836262010-12-12T19:35:44.811-08:002010-12-12T19:35:44.811-08:00And this reaffirms your orthodox beliefs?- Perhaps...And this reaffirms your orthodox beliefs?- Perhaps what is not working is not only Israel, but the fact the halakhic process has gone off the rails and can't adjust to Jews in the majority or Jews in a liberal democracy. Not only will Zionism emerge badly scarred if at all, from the state of things in Israel, but halakhic Judaism as well.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16925912695144543921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-1305631879537246702010-12-12T12:46:51.727-08:002010-12-12T12:46:51.727-08:00Thanks, Nathan. I read Gil's post and left a c...Thanks, Nathan. I read Gil's post and left a comment. Here we have a stark contrast between an orthodox Jew in the diaspora -- and Gil Student is deeply orthodox -- and his Israeli counterparts. As the European influence (and not just European, but rather gentile influence) wears off on Judaism, it becomes closer to radical Islamic fundamentalism. See the end of my post.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-11992635001352048902010-12-12T11:39:14.041-08:002010-12-12T11:39:14.041-08:00Don't know if you saw this:
"If this is ...Don't know if you saw this:<br /><br />"If this is the concern in Israel, then a ruling can be worded appropriately. Indeed, I can’t see why selling to a non-religious Jew — who will ignore a beis din‘s rulings — is any different than selling to a gentile. Nor can I see why selling to a respectable gentile is problematic. A prohibition, if necessary at all, can easily be worded in terms of maintaining neighborhood safety rather than race or religion. Homeowners should respect their neighbors and not rent to dangerous people, regardless of race or religion, who will make the neighborhood less safe."<br /><br />http://torahmusings.com/2010/12/renting-apartments-to-gentiles.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-56254749578679832362010-12-12T08:16:35.344-08:002010-12-12T08:16:35.344-08:00Excellent post, Jerry. The reasoning behind this ...Excellent post, Jerry. The reasoning behind this and similar "psakim" indeed appears to be extremely weak - even clutching at straws like "the poor of your city take precedence", arguing that one may not rent to non-Jews as long as there may be Jews in need of rentals. <br /><br />The interpretation of "lo tehonem" as applying to all non-Jews in perpetuity (or even considering all "Arabs" as being "at war with us") leaves so much to be desired as to lead to one possible conclusion: "What we have in the manifesto is not a halakhic document but a political/philosophical document that draws on certain Jewish precedent to give it weight".<br /><br />The reasoning of "not being influenced by their ways" is equally surreal, and detached from modern Israeli reality - except for the part of Israeli reality marked by prejudice and bigotry, that is.<br /><br />Halakhah has always been influenced by contemporary ideas and circumstances. The influence exerted on Halakhah by Jewish power and privilege within an ethnocentric polity has not been for the better, and has affected (infected?) non/anti-Zionist as well as Zionist decisors.Shmuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15095120264745343117noreply@blogger.com