tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post2774794238203727920..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: Are the Palestinians "Oppressed and Abused" by their LeadersJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-18011694944448584352008-05-02T15:48:00.000-07:002008-05-02T15:48:00.000-07:00bar_kochbaI expected Israel to "go along with that...bar_kochba<BR/><BR/>I expected Israel to "go along with that" because I expected it to recognize even the limited autonomy due the Palestinians. Had the Hamas government declared war on Israel, or even conducted acts of belligerence, then Israel could respond (after exhausting diplomatic means, etc., etc.) <BR/><BR/>As for abrogating treaties, Hamas did not abrogate treaties, nor did the PA. And even if it did, that would not be a legitimate cause for war.<BR/><BR/>AFter all, Bibi came to power and completely reinterpreted Oslo 180 degrees away from its intent. You know that, since Bible opposed Oslo. He gutted Oslo, lied, about it, and employed lawyers to come up with "intellectual deceptions" to read those into the Oslo Bet documents.<BR/><BR/>Oh, by the way, the claim that Bibi's foreign ministry crew made up "intellectual distortions" was made to me by Eli Rubenstein. You may have heard of him -- he is now a Supreme Court Justice, and was the Attorney General.<BR/><BR/>But, according to you, had Bibi campaigned on a platform against Oslo, and had the Palestinians the power, they would have been perfectly right to invade Israel and thwart the people's voice.<BR/><BR/>The German mashal isn't bad, but I think you got the nimshal mixed up. Perhaps you want me to give you a list of the countries whose democratically elected leadership was replaced by the Germans, on the grounds that those leaderships constituted a security threat.<BR/><BR/>Bullies always do that.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-5319466270433299592008-05-02T02:54:00.000-07:002008-05-02T02:54:00.000-07:00You do realize that HAMAS was elected on the platf...You do realize that HAMAS was elected on the platform of, among other things, unilaterally abrogating the Oslo agreements. Why should you expect Israel to go along with that, even if HAMAS was "democratically" elected. Hitler came to power "democratically" as well, and he also went on to abrogate treaties unilaterally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-76470094604993427162008-05-01T19:53:00.000-07:002008-05-01T19:53:00.000-07:00An excellent conclusion: many just omit the obviou...An excellent conclusion: many just omit the obvious fact that Israel is the occupying power; the Palestinians have no autonomy and Abbas is more or less dependent on outside powers for him to be a "leader" of the Palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com