tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post3601241061998626215..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: Never AgainJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-14755035746706630712010-01-04T11:53:08.033-08:002010-01-04T11:53:08.033-08:00And while the UN has rarely reduced the scale of I...And while the UN has rarely reduced the scale of Israeli response across a line (UNTSO, UNEF I are considered the success story in the period 1956-67) the record there is mixed enough that Israelis and Gazan Palestinians alike have UN involvement in living memory that was more positive than the UNIFIL experience. This may have something to do with the fact that strong states existed on both sides in '56-'67 and that the UN was highly effective as soon as harassment in Gaza stopped being a policy tool on either/both/all sides.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-54565949641462352522010-01-02T17:22:10.495-08:002010-01-02T17:22:10.495-08:00I don't think EU/UN monitoring has ever stoppe...I don't think EU/UN monitoring has ever stopped rocket war against 1949-Israel anywhere it has been implemented, the Jordanian govt. has been effective in marginalizing it as a phenomenon, but that is a function of the difficulty of moving Grads around Jordan and the general non-cooperation of Jordanians with the al-Q-inspired groups doing the rocketing.<br /><br />Most Israelis are going to see UNIFGAZA as UNIFIL redux and if the rockets continue to fall they will be right. However, success will mean that "permanent erosion of Israelis' personal security" will no longer be seen by some Israelis as an actual foreign policy goal of the UN/EU.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-49493447060034865682010-01-02T08:35:38.178-08:002010-01-02T08:35:38.178-08:00Y,
So, the only people who agree with your assert...Y, <br />So, the only people who agree with your assertion that Israel was the victim and Gaza, the aggressor are your fellow Zionists - in Israel and America. Given this, how do you explain that everybody else sees things otherwise - unless you say, all the world is out to get us...wait, that's exactly what you said.<br />If you didn't have an army to act out your delusional paranoia, I'd feel sorry for you. As it stands, the sooner the international community stages an intervention the better. BDS, UN forces patrolling the border, whatever works to save the Palestinians from you armed wingnuts.Michaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-8611223338586343332010-01-02T00:07:45.519-08:002010-01-02T00:07:45.519-08:00Keep up the great blogging! I'm a quiet but en...Keep up the great blogging! I'm a quiet but enormously grateful reader of your posts.Milsteinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-34311168342133616462010-01-01T22:01:14.024-08:002010-01-01T22:01:14.024-08:00Nice post & nice blog. I love both.Nice post & nice blog. I love both.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-21527097893440559532010-01-01T16:51:33.353-08:002010-01-01T16:51:33.353-08:00Good article, indeed. I read about Michael Sfard i...Good article, indeed. I read about Michael Sfard in connection with Norman Finkelstein, if I remember well.<br /> <br />Caryl Churchill's play never for a second suggested antisemitism to me, only deep concern. The argument was completely absurd.<br /><br />Sfard is correct, it was hard to not notice the cynicism behind the name for the operation. It was the first hint of what was to come.<br /><br />Y. Ben-David, Arafat is dead, you should keep to the present talking points. It's Hamas remember?LeaNderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12658347762463364687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-86206061576750625282010-01-01T00:37:54.997-08:002010-01-01T00:37:54.997-08:00Important to recall-this war was carried out NOT b...Important to recall-this war was carried out NOT by the evil, right-wing pro-settlement Likud parties and its allies, but rather by the "progressive, pro-peace" government coalition of Kadima and the Labor Party, people who keep saying that it is imperative for Israel's future interests to set up a Palestinian state as soon as possible.<br />I am sure you remember that when the "pro-peace" camp of Rabin, Peres, Beilin, Ramon et al, were trying to sell the Israeli public on the idea of bringing in Arafat and his FATAH terrorist gangs to Israel and entrusting our security to them that we were assured by these people that we were not taking any chances...Shulamit Aloni said the Arabs would never DARE attack Israel because Israel was so strong. But, on the outside chance that the Arabs did use violence against us, we could always bomb the hell out of them AND WE WOULD HAVE THE BACKING OF THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY FOR THIS. I clearly remember A B Yehoshua saying this, along with the rest. <br />So finally, in Lebanon in 2006 and Gaza in 2008, when the rocket attacks finally became intolerable, we bombed the hell out of them, and surprise, we did NOT get the backing of the international community, at least to the degree promised by our peace camp.<br />The lies and deceit of Oslo finally boomeranged back on us.Y. Ben-Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-81288061877340396832009-12-31T04:33:02.506-08:002009-12-31T04:33:02.506-08:00Based on conversations with friends and family who...Based on conversations with friends and family who live in Israel, about their time during the Gaza conflict, your impression that 'nobody gave a shit'is not one that I share; they seemed to care a great deal. <br /><br />A question: has the publication of the Goldstone report in any way changed the situation? After its publication are you finding more Israelis expressing discomfort, shock or regret etc about what happened in Gaza? I'd be interested to know. <br />Thanks, <br />MMR Smithhttp://theedgeofwhere.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-46964453945653576182009-12-30T01:48:22.737-08:002009-12-30T01:48:22.737-08:00It's good to have you back blogging, as usual ...It's good to have you back blogging, as usual I have nothing to add but my admiration - great post - wwillyrobinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03632164604591555951noreply@blogger.com