tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post377000942363935383..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: On the Jewish Zealot's Contempt for Jewish MoralityJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-18918562510591637462011-05-02T12:24:39.958-07:002011-05-02T12:24:39.958-07:00"Goldstone, according to Podhoretz, should ha..."Goldstone, according to Podhoretz, should have refused to head the UN fact-finding mission because inevitably that mission would have found Israel guilty (after all, the UN is anti-Semitic to its core), and inevitably his Jewishness would be used as a weapon against the Jewish state."<br /><br />Of course, the mission did imagine that a case could be made for Israeli war-crimes, but the fact-finding had not yet been done when the mission was created. The "anti-Semitism" of the UN (assuming it arguendo) does not mean that the mission would necessarily find that there were Israeli war-crimes. That seems, rather, to have been an Israeli idea (before the mission commenced, and before Israel refused to cooperate). And Israel's (and the USA's) idea that the rules of war needed to change are a further strong suggestion that Israel was convinced (ab ovo) that it had been guilty of war crimes.<br /><br />I am a bit surprised that Judge Goldstone was willing to take part due to the likelihood that he would be hounded within (or from) hs Jewish community, but that is another matter. I'm glad he decided to participate.pabelmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02455552052993621134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-25465428271018455202011-05-02T12:11:59.672-07:002011-05-02T12:11:59.672-07:00Jerry -
This is wonderfully said. I've had ma...Jerry -<br /><br />This is wonderfully said. I've had many arguments on this point with fellow tribesmen who speak of group survival as the one supreme goal of Jewish existence. If you'd only produced this piece earlier I could've dispensed with the argumentation and simply pulled it from my pocket. <br /><br />BTW - I recently read your online piece on Moritz Steinschneider and enjoyed it a great deal -- a real corrective to what I'd previously read on the subject.Stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12215781721450176459noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-69620508714481498522011-05-02T07:58:24.356-07:002011-05-02T07:58:24.356-07:00The bumper-sticker sound-bite "security"...The bumper-sticker sound-bite "security" trumps "morality" as an argument, so Israeli imperialist-zealots and American imperialists both use it, and silly citizens -- who might buy "morality" as an argument if their great fears weren't deliberately and wrongly mobilized -- fall for it.<br /><br />Jews in the USA are as fully excluded from Israeli imperialist thinking and counsels as the PLO is.<br /><br />"We zealots know what is good for us and what is good for us is good for you" (goes the "we are all Jews together" tribal argument). (And what's good for General Motors * * *).pabelmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02455552052993621134noreply@blogger.com