tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post5279417707931596924..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: Revenge By Any Other NameJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-90826734564602346842008-07-05T23:44:00.000-07:002008-07-05T23:44:00.000-07:00laurence, i will try to post some of those voices....laurence, i will try to post some of those voices.<BR/><BR/>bar kokhbah, sorry to hear that you oppose Holocaust Studies. You may wish to read my post called "Revenge By Any Other Name" before commenting on it. Please let me know what you didn't understand.<BR/><BR/>anonymous, 100% agreement<BR/><BR/>laurence,<BR/>thanks for your comment. i will check out some of those links.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-9638971791680197552008-07-05T20:54:00.000-07:002008-07-05T20:54:00.000-07:00Historically, currents of injustice have always ru...Historically, currents of injustice have always run deep in the Middle East, especially today in Israel and Palestine.<BR/><BR/>I'll probably never understand all its ramifications or what it might portend for the future; but clearly, revenge doesn't ever perfectly serve justice, let alone anyone's prospects for peace.<BR/><BR/>Before commenting I took the time to revisit the concept of an "eye for an eye" in Wikipedia, and I ran across this relevant quote from Gandhi:<BR/><BR/>"An eye for an eye, and soon the whole world is blind"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the question of status has something fundamentally to do with this whole conflict of co-equal versus unequal justice... for what larger purposes... and to whose or what end is justice meant to be served... before these things called justice or revenge... can be meted out effectively.<BR/><BR/>Of course, public policy, as a tool for social engineering, also has a prominent role to play.<BR/><BR/>But, in the main, I'd like to think your viewpoints will begin to hold more popular sway because they simply are more desirable for Israel's longer-term interests.<BR/><BR/>I found the time to check out the Amazon reviews for Amitai Etzioni's latest book - "Security First: For Muscular, Moral Foreign Policy" - so I could hopefully gain some socio-political insights I'm wont to overlook...<BR/><BR/>... But, alas, I found no direct discussion so far of unequal versus co-equal status at play... as a possible central catalyst causing the hatred and mistrust between the two groups.<BR/><BR/>At the very heart of this dangerous localized conflict - one which threatens the peace of the entire world - probably are these questions of status and coercion. Before issues of justice, security or peace can be discussed I suspect we'd do well to first examine if the wider consideration of status and the implementation of force are even suitable tools anymore for modern conflict resolution.<BR/><BR/>The world is a much smaller place than at times in the past. And I'm beginning to see more-and-more that honest displays of genuine humility, mutual respect, and "uncommon" decency... may be all that one needs... to further one's aims.<BR/><BR/>But how we define "I", in relation to "us" and "them", finally holds the key to securing the peace "all of us" would prefer.<BR/><BR/>Did you ever get a chance to read the book, "Be Here Now" (1971), by Dr. Richard Alpert (Ram Dass)?<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl3V0dTRDvIAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-90594743725553392882008-07-05T13:29:00.000-07:002008-07-05T13:29:00.000-07:00Good post on all counts. I sympathize more with ...Good post on all counts. I sympathize more with the Palestinians, frankly, as far as the overall conflict is concerned. But I am really tired of people on any side justifying the murder of innocents.<BR/><BR/>Though if the guy in the bulldozer was just crazy, then both the Israeli and Hamas officials are worse than he was.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-46565809149958233602008-07-05T12:38:00.000-07:002008-07-05T12:38:00.000-07:00Important to understand the "motives" for crimes o...Important to understand the "motives" for crimes of this type? Hate is the motive.<BR/><BR/>But look at it this way.....if one think it is important to look at motives and someone says "well, Palestinian violence is 'understandable' due to the supposed 'occupation', then I can only reply that no one in history has suffered more than the Jewish people (yes, not even the Palestinians have suffered as much), and so no one, according to this way of thinking, has MORE right to be violent than do the Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-5208072108870406282008-07-05T10:18:00.000-07:002008-07-05T10:18:00.000-07:00I used to support house demolitions for families o...I used to support house demolitions for families of terrorists. I've come to the conclusion, though, that it is wrong. It doesn't achieve anything but more hate.<BR/><BR/>For the same reason I also oppose recent proposals to deny social security benefits and residency status from family members. This is a bad policy, especially when children are invlolved. If a family member assisted the terrorist, indict him. Guilt by association should have no place in Israel and the areas it controls.<BR/><BR/>I have a feeling the suggestion to revoke residency from the entire village is not something our Glorious Leaders are seriously considering, unlike the house demolition.Emmanuelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02270751138155111328noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-44153339649681939702008-07-04T11:44:00.000-07:002008-07-04T11:44:00.000-07:00I hope you'll allow a brand new subscriber, a non-...I hope you'll allow a brand new subscriber, a non-Jewish person and a non-religionist to weight in with a comment.<BR/><BR/>Are there not any non-violent leaders in the Israeli or American governments left who are capable and willing to stand up as you have?<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, much of what I read from rabbis and the popular Jewish press today is rather alarming to someone as insignificant as me, to say the least. <BR/><BR/>Yet I still want to believe more rational persons who share your world-view could implement more peaceable solutions to the world's conflicts, if only permitted a voice.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for introducing me to Rabbi Magnes. I'm certain that if there is a God he loves peacemakers just like you.<BR/><BR/>Your expressiveness is appreciated and deserving of a wider audience. But do be kind to yourself today - you deserve this much and a whole lot more.<BR/><BR/>Of this I am certain.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com