tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post553830147397383359..comments2023-10-26T06:29:39.824-07:00Comments on The Magnes Zionist: Liberal Zionists Should Support BDSJerry Haberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-3258942495559463912013-02-20T09:54:20.629-08:002013-02-20T09:54:20.629-08:00Bernie,
I linked to the statement, so that anybody...Bernie,<br />I linked to the statement, so that anybody could compare my rephrasing. You are right to point out that the first two goals of the BDS statement are captured by the first two of the three goals of liberal Zionists that I mentioned. Having said that, I don't know any supporter of the BDS movement who does not want to see the establishment of a Palestinian state. For some supporters that will be one Palestinian state that will include Israelis and Palestinians. For others, it could be a state in addition to Israel. So while that is not stated explicitly in the three goals, I think that it is fair to say that it is accord with those goals. So I am charitable assuming that liberal Zionists and one-staters both see as a common goal the establishment of a Palestinian state.Jerry Haberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15173892714754718716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-10370661146749360492013-02-20T00:00:22.394-08:002013-02-20T00:00:22.394-08:00In the first paragraph of his article Mr. Haber st...In the first paragraph of his article Mr. Haber states a few things that he thinks liberal Zionists want, citing one thing as "...the establishment of a Palestinian state that will allow Palestinians to live as a free and secure people in their own homeland." He then goes on to write that the things he cited are "... virtually identical with two of the three aims" of the BDS National Committee," the exception being the Palestinian right of return. Mr.Haber's inference that the idea of a Palestinian homeland is aligned with BDS principles is quite disingenuous and not becoming for a professor of philosophy.<br /><br />Here are the three BDS principles taken directly from http://www.bdsmovement.net/call:<br /><br />1. Ending its occupation and colonization of all Arab lands and dismantling the Wall<br />2. Recognizing the fundamental rights of the Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel to full equality; and<br />3. Respecting, protecting and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties as stipulated in UN resolution 194.<br /><br />So while I think that every person seeking justice for Palestinians should support the BDS movement, I also think that outright misinformation by Zionists, well-intentioned or not, should be called out wherever it appears.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16385141067888771358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7675600882597316438.post-25718568763083065382013-02-18T07:05:29.364-08:002013-02-18T07:05:29.364-08:00Excellent argument! (I say this as a pro-Palestini...Excellent argument! (I say this as a pro-Palestinian, pro-BDS American [Jew].)<br /><br />One question sticks with me: so many seeming liberal Jews deny that there was "ethnic cleansing" in 1947-8 BUT ALSO deny a right of return (PRoR) to the exiles that I sense two major psychological blocks: [1] "denial" of Israel's obvious responsibility for the Palestinian refugees; and [2] refusal to look for ways to secure Israeli desires for the 20% rule which allow PRoR.<br /><br />As to point [2], there are two clear paths for Israel to follow, both either undesired or unlikely, but not impossible. <br /><br />First, Israel can encourage large Jewish immigration to bolster the "Jewish" population against the Palestinians who would/might return under PRoR. (I use quotes, because I have read that some of the Russians who immigrated into Israel may not have been sufficiently "Jewish" to satisfy whoever there must be satisfied.)<br /><br />Second, Israel can agree to occupy a smaller space than previously contemplate -- smaller even than pre-1967 -- so that PRoR would bring fewer Palestinians into the so-reduced Israeli territory.<br /><br />PS: As an American and a New Yorker I live in worlds which are considerably multi-ethnic including (especially in New York City) a huge Jewish population and, although I do not explicitly seek it, most of my friends are Jews. and we all exist quite happily in a sea of non-Jews.<br /><br />And quite safely, as far as I am able to see. So the Israeli desire for a 20% rule entirely stymies me.<br /><br />Just saying.pabelmonthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02455552052993621134noreply@blogger.com